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Post by Malefio on Jul 2, 2016 21:54:11 GMT -5
Well, Megaflare would still have to be 6 000 000 times hotter than the atmosphere to even scratch diamond.
Unless Pie can prove it is indeed 6 000 000 time hotter than the atmosphere, Bahamut can't even scratch both of my characters,
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Post by pielover19 on Jul 2, 2016 21:58:41 GMT -5
My point about Cheri being a hero still stands, though.
Unless Robo Bob has exhaust pipes all over his body, I think he can still get iced.
I've swatted down almost all of your points, and I made a few of my own (some of them were swatted down, but I actually had some points that weren't). I would say that was a win for me.
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Post by pielover19 on Jul 2, 2016 22:01:12 GMT -5
Well, Megaflare would still have to be 6 000 000 times hotter than the atmosphere to even scratch diamond. Unless Pie can prove it is indeed 6 000 000 time hotter than the atmosphere, Bahamut can't even scratch both of my characters, You're assuming that your characters are the hardest diamonds. If your characters are made out of the hardest diamonds, then my swords will probably be made of that diamond, too! Because they are actually indestructible, it can have the hardness of the diamond without the cleavage fields that can be used to cut your characters in half! If push comes to shove, a few good swings of the sword could shatter your characters. |
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Post by Awkward on Jul 2, 2016 22:40:58 GMT -5
(You guys actually get 30 posts each. Just a friendly reminder.)
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Post by Just14 on Jul 2, 2016 22:53:08 GMT -5
Cheri can blow up the planet with her Limit Break.
Also the characters of DVFT would be trying to kill everyone because you're all blowing up the school like a bunch of asshats.
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Post by Malefio on Jul 3, 2016 7:25:42 GMT -5
Oh right...
We need to back up a bit:
Scenario:
All fighters have poor planning
@awkward: What does this actually implies? Are our characters actually devoid of any equipment?
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Post by Malefio on Jul 3, 2016 9:10:28 GMT -5
While we wait for Awkward's specification, here's a few things:
Megaflare: Reminder that every single Lost Kingdom character survived that attack. It's effects were definitely nebulous though: Most heroes were sent away to other places, some were turned to stones.
Here's my case though: Treblig survived it and had no negative effect to it. He's a shopkeeper, definitely not made of diamonds and even if Robo Bob was not made of diamond he would be more resilient than any Lost Kindgom character. If Treblig survived it with no effect, a Diamond Robo Bob can definitely tank it. Megaflare would also hit Malefio. In addition, it takes 3 turns to cast.
"But have to advertise some obscure Japanese shampoo while fighting": Robo Bob is all about killing anything organic. His advertisment would definitely include killing Cheri, so he's not really affected. It's also an advertisement, not a commercial. Therefore, a simple sticker on Sci's armor and Robo Bob's body is more than enough. This doesn't cost me any time whatsoever.
"Can become any cartoon character for 5 seconds at a time every minute": 5 seconds is not enough to do anything significant. I actually suggest changing this card for 15 seconds in future battles.
Neverbreaking Samurai Sword and space suit: First of all, Malefio is a master of staff fighting, but is poor with a sword. I have no idea if Cheri has any swordfighting training, but she didn't strike me as a melee combattant. Therefore, they have no experience in using a sword and with poor planning, there is probably no way they practiced it before the battle. As for the space suit, I assume two things since it's a DETRIMENT: it makes you slower and limits your movements. Doesn't really help with sword fighting. Now, let's assume your swords can make a dent in diamond (which they wouldn't), your swords are indeed unbreakable, but poof! Robo Bob's steam. Where is it said that they can't be MELTED? Now let's say they can't be melted either (which we have no proof of): your characters can. If Malefio or Cheri are in range to hit Robo Bob with their swords, they are in range to be hit with the steam, which would melt the space suits off their body and result in an horrible death.
"And just drank 5 energy drinks": This is a positive attribute. Therefore, all negative aspects it would have in real life doesn't apply. Not, this attribute means two things: 1.Infinite Stamina. 2.Speed X5.
Speed X5 means two things: 1.Definitely fast enough to avoid/dodge any attack. 2.Can use 5 actions by the time your characters uses one. Therefore, Robo Bob could fill Cheri in bullet 5 times by the times she does anything. He could kill her before she even summons Bahamut, even before the fight actually begins. Then again, I didn't even talk about the space suit slowing your characters down. SO let's say your strategy is to summon Bahamut and use Megaflare which takes 3 turns. That's 4 turns. That's 20 actions for my characters before Cheri even managed to do anything. She's dead for sure.
Freezing Robo Bob: He generates the steam from his body. Chaos DNA.
So let me recap here:
1.Sci and Robo Bob are fast enough to dodge any attack.
2.Sci and Robo Bob can use 5 actions by the time Malefio or Cheri does one.
3.Megaflare is too long to cast to even be viable in this battle and every character would survive it anyway. It would also damage Malefio.
4.Malefio cannot freeze Robo Bob and Robo Bob can instantly unfreeze Sci
5.The swords cannot do any damage to my characters and even if they did, attacking Robo Bob with them would result in an instant horrible death.
6.A simple sticker is advertisement.
7.Cartoon Logic cannot apply in a battle to the death. (Unless we were in a cartoon world, but DVFT is not a cartoon.)
8.5 seconds is not actually enough to do anything.
I think that summarize it pretty much? Your characters cannot do anything to mine.
One last thing:
Cheri can blow up the planet with her Limit Break. Robo Bob still have enough time to kill her before she even unleash that.
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Post by pielover19 on Jul 3, 2016 9:31:33 GMT -5
I believe we need to ask Awkward what 5 energy drinks means. Your card seems OP.
Cheri is on a dragon, and bringing Malefio on it with her will make them extremely mobile.
Like I said, does the steam release all around his body? If it does, he couldn't see. If it doesn't, he couldn't melt all of the ice.
Did you even read the part about cleavage planes in my earlier post? Diamonds have weak spots called cleavage planes that could be sliced through by something like a Samurai Sword.
Earlier, you used Who Framed Rodger Rabbit as an example of how cartoon logic works. It's not if it is in a serious world, it's if it's funny. Nothing was said about cartoon logic not applying to a serious world. The world isn't even serious! Look at what we have to deal with! Come on, you can't take a death battle with a robot, an engineer, a skeleton, and a girl riding a dragon in a school campus with energy drinks and shampoo.
8.5 seconds is enough to dodge or land an attack, my dear Malefio.
Well, wearing a sticker isn't much of a detriment, is it? Using your logic on the energy drinks, your going to have to have a full fledged commercial throughout the battle including shower scenes and crazy gymnastics.
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Post by Malefio on Jul 3, 2016 9:42:52 GMT -5
I believe we need to ask Awkward what 5 energy drinks means. Your card seems OP. Cheri is on a dragon, and bringing Malefio on it with her will make them extremely mobile. Again, you don't start the fight with Bahamut out. Robo Bob has plenty of time to kill Cheri while she summons her eidolon.Like I said, does the steam release all around his body? If it does, he couldn't see. If it doesn't, he couldn't melt all of the ice. It does come out all around of his body. Robo Bob also see through his steam and any kind of fog. Using fog was actually one of the strategy used by the Chaos army since all Chaos creations saw through it.Did you even read the part about cleavage planes in my earlier post? Diamonds have weak spots called cleavage planes that could be sliced through by something like a Samurai Sword. As I said, neither of your characters have any swordfighting training. They wouldn't know how to spot or cut through these cleavage planes.Earlier, you used Who Framed Rodger Rabbit as an example of how cartoon logic works. It's not if it is in a serious world, it's if it's funny. Nothing was said about cartoon logic not applying to a serious world. The world isn't even serious! Look at what we have to deal with! Come on, you can't take a death battle with a robot, an engineer, a skeleton, and a girl riding a dragon in a school campus with energy drinks and shampoo. Okay, so the theory applies when a cartoon character is sent to a world which is not a cartoon. It has nothing to do if that world is funny or not. In a situation of life and death, which this is, cartoon physics/logic cannot apply when in another world.
8.5 seconds is enough to dodge or land an attack, my dear Malefio. I don't know what this relates to exactly, but Robo Bob's weapon is a Gattling Gun which shoots fast and your characters have poor mobility because of the space suit.Well, wearing a sticker isn't much of a detriment, is it? Using your logic on the energy drinks, your going to have to have a full fledged commercial throughout the battle including shower scenes and crazy gymnastics. Advertisements and commercials are too extremely different thing. I either need to have the name of the product placed somewhere or use it in battle. |
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Post by pielover19 on Jul 3, 2016 9:56:57 GMT -5
And Malefio has plenty of time to block those attacks. He can turn bullets to ice and make you waste time unfreezing Sci.
Ok, you can see through steam. I get that.
You know, there are a ton of cartoon characters with extreme swordfighting abilities. Example: Samurai Jack.
How? Are any reasons provided?
But we also have a freaking dragon that can take a few bullets.
If drinking 5 energy drinks gives you extreme speed and stamina, the best thing you can get out of that deal, because "It's a positive attribute", then you have to do the worst thing on your negative attribute. You are having a case of extreme hypocrisy here.
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Post by Malefio on Jul 3, 2016 10:09:30 GMT -5
And Malefio has plenty of time to block those attacks. He can turn bullets to ice and make you waste time unfreezing Sci. I was waiting for the "I block" argument. You see, Robo Bob is actually fully organic, even his Gattling Gun AND bullets. That's how the Chaos DNA works. He wasn't built, he was created by Captain Chaos who can simply generate DNA and create whatever creature he wants. Therefore, the Gattling Gun AND it's bullets are made of diamonds, which would definitely break through any blocking attempts. And freezing them wouldn't stop the momentum. It would only make the bullets bigger and more powerful. You're too slow to dodge and you have nothing to block or stop diamond bullets.Ok, you can see through steam. I get that. You know, there are a ton of cartoon characters with extreme swordfighting abilities. Example: Samurai Jack. Samurai Jack attacks Robo Bob. Gets melted to death.How? Are any reasons provided? That's just how the theory of cartoon characters going into another world works. I didn't create those rules.But we also have a freaking dragon that can take a few bullets. No you don't. Cheri dies before she has time to summon him. The diamond bullets would go right through Bahamut's body through and through. Robo Bob is also a war startegist, so he would know to aim at the brain. Brain pierced by 100 bullets? Bahamut might be an Eidolon, he's still down for the count.If drinking 5 energy drinks gives you extreme speed and stamina, the best thing you can get out of that deal, because "It's a positive attribute", then you have to do the worst thing on your negative attribute. You are having a case of extreme hypocrisy here. Okay, let's say I have to use the shampoo in battle, because that would indeed be the worst thing, it doesn't cost much time either way and Sci has to be the one to apply it to Robo Bob anyway, since Robo Bob has no arms. Therefore Robo Bob can still fight while Sci applies the shampoo.Forgot to point something else with Megaflare too. Even the generic unnamed lizards survived. So yeah, definitely not scared of LK's Bahamut to be honest. |
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Post by Just14 on Jul 3, 2016 11:26:31 GMT -5
Isn't anime a type of cartoon?
Also, Mega Flare is the weakest on the spectrum and the heroes lived because Cheri hesitated while activating it. The strongest and more deadly ones you should be worried about are Giga Flare and Terra Flare.
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Post by Malefio on Jul 3, 2016 11:30:45 GMT -5
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Post by mrfuzz111 on Jul 3, 2016 11:47:11 GMT -5
Isn't anime a type of cartoon? Also, Mega Flare is the weakest on the spectrum and the heroes lived because Cheri hesitated while activating it. The strongest and more deadly ones you should be worried about are Giga Flare and Terra Flare. I was wondering about that too. If so, Pie's characters could just turn into One Punch Man and win the fight in... Well, one punch. |
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Post by Malefio on Jul 3, 2016 12:06:30 GMT -5
(I'm waiting on the definition of "poor planning" before continuing.)
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